Broadway-Fifth Task Force Meeting Notes
|June 22, 2006 - Committee
to focus on Broadway/Fifth Avenue area
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|Next meeting is scheduled
for Thursday, October 12th at 12 noon at St. John's Lutheran
July 6, 2006
Knox Area Rescue Ministries
Councilman Chris Woodhull and City Director of Policy
Development Bill Lyons convened the meeting with
introductions at 12:10 p.m. at Knox Area Rescue
Ministries, welcoming everyone, including City Council
members Marilyn Roddy and Joe Hultquist, who are
The following task force members were present:
Chris Woodhull, City Council
Bill Lyons, City of Knoxville
Cathy Chesney, City of Knoxville
Mike Dunthorn, City of Knoxville
Grant Rosenberg, Knox County
Patrick McInturff, 4th and Gill Neighborhood
David Nix, Parkridge Neighborhood
Judy Holder, City People
Roger Nooe, Ten-Year Plan
Alvin Nance, Knoxville’s Community Development
Gordon Catlett, Knoxville Police Department
James Pierce, Old North Knoxville (sitting in for Dan
Ginny Weatherstone, Volunteer Ministry Center (VMC)
Ola Blackmon-McBride, The Salvation Army
Major Don Vick, The Salvation Army
Bert Rosen, Knox Area Rescue Ministries (KARM)
Duane Grieve, Grieve Associates Arch.
Mark D. Hipshire, Historic Fort Sanders Neighborhood
Renee Davis, Metropolitan Planning Commission (MPC)
Bruce Spangler, KARM
Others at the meeting included:
Marilyn Roddy, City Council
Joe Hultquist, City Council
Anne Lorino, MPC intern
Ken Adams, Graning Paint Co.
Helen Morton, University Liquor and Wine
Thea Peterson, St. John Lutheran Church
Chris Woodhull asked if anyone would like to make any
reports, sharing recent news. Burt Rosen shared that
KARM had received a voice mail message Saturday with
very bad language, and Bill Lyons indicated that the
Mayor’s office had received a similar message.
Chris warned the group that they were in the middle of
an issue with strong feelings, and it is going to be
tough. He reported hearing optimistic things –
hopeful, but mixed with skepticism, that people are
glad we are doing this but are frustrated because
there has not been a venue for opening up and
discussing the issue. Bill Lyons said that they online
dialogues are expressing a lot of anger, as well as
some hope. Some are cynical and highly skeptical. He
reminded the group that our approach is both short and
long term and he asked to continue to think “Big
Picture” (long term) along with getting as much done
as possible in a more immediate short-term time frame.
Mapping where we are at, both figuratively and
literally, is necessary. Working with KCDC to see if
we want to pursue a “redevelopment area” route is one
option for the long term. Bill noted that the
loitering and some of the activities that occur are
highly irritating, with real impact on people’s lives
while also being symbolic and make a statement to
people coming into downtown and to those living and
working close to the area.
Bill and Chris asked everyone to share their thoughts
on opening the Yahoo group to anyone who wanted to
join, regardless of whether or not they were on the
Is it moderated? (Yes, by Bill, Chris and Patrick
Fair to open it up if it is moderated, people could be
evicted if they don’t follow the ground rules.
Would generate more ire by removing someone – want to
open it up but need to gel as a group first.
It might get us off-task, but we don’t to exclude
This group is positive - talking and looking for
solutions, don’t want to become a gripe group.
The meetings are open to the public and the minutes
are posted– let people know that they can attend
meetings and email concerns, wait before opening it to
Open it up, but there will be some “personal attacks”
The task force wants to open the Yahoo group
eventually, but most prefer to wait - since group
members are just beginning to get to know each other.
It was decided that it will not be opened at this
Capt. Catlett of KPD reported on what the police
department has been doing in response to comments
brought up, including expanding the patrol of central
business detail officers. He noted that when
allocating resources, the first priority is calls for
service. The central business detail officers have
fewer calls than the beat cops. Capt. Catlett asked
that the group provide KPD with a clearly defined
priority and the geographic area that is a priority.
He suggested a target-specific approach for the police
department to strike a balance, noting the larger the
area the less time for routine patrol. He requested
clearly defined objectives, reached by consensus, in a
small, defined area to start with – concentrating
resources in a core area although we know there are
issues further out. He closed his report by reminding
the group that the police department wants to know
what the community sees as a priority.
It will be a short-term goal of the task force to
reach consensus on prioritizing which specific
activities will be targeted, and where.
Mike Dunthorn reported that a frequent question is how
much “taxpayer” money goes into homeless efforts. Most
of this money comes through the City’s Community
Development Office, and is either Community
Development Block Grant funding (CDBG) or emergency
shelter grants, both from the US Department of Housing
and Urban Development (HUD). The $460,000 from CDBG
funds last year (2005) by far dwarfs the rest of the
Other items included a $50,000 emergency shelter grant
for a day room, $30,000 CDBG for kitchen training,
$10,000 Community Action Committee (CAC) for homeward
bound outreach support, $10,000 to UT for the HMIS
homeless management information system (as a match for
a larger amount).
Some funding also comes through Continuum of Care CoC,
from HUD to community agencies that apply for funding.
This year it is anticipated that CoC funding will be
provided to HMIS, Parkridge Harbor Apartments,
Pleasant Tree Apartments, Salvation Army, and the CAC
(REACH and Project SUCCEED). A new application has
been submitted recently, this would be to permanently
house homeless through a collaboration of agencies as
a part of “Housing First.”
Bill Lyons suggested that Mike and Renee Davis map
facilities related to homeless services.
Dr. Nooe added that a tremendous amount is also spent
on jail rooms, emergency rooms, etc. – probably
greater than the other things we spend money on. The
homeless need to be into programs to stop the
The next activity was a display of neighborhoods,
businesses and agencies talking to each other. The
rules were tell the truth and be soft on each other,
hard on issues. One person represented each, others
were invited to join of they wanted by tapping the
person on the shoulder and taking the seat in the
What do you see as a strong neighborhood?
Neighborhood representative: A park that I can walk
through, shopping easily accessible, people aren’t
afraid to be on the street, we can safely walk to
downtown. We want to be safe in our home, not keep our
Business representative: Like to be able to do
business like folks do in other parts of town – not
need to walk customers to their cars, guard parking
lots to keep panhandlers away.
I want to relax and be concerned about the business,
not all the other things I need to be concerned about.
Agency representative (Ginny Weatherstone): Fewer
homeless, more people housed. The shelters would be
smaller, with fewer people on the street. When they
were on the street, a case worker would be engaging
them, trying to get them housed. Responsibility and
accountability for homeless. Time limits, and for
those getting a paycheck of some kind, requiring
payment for services. I am a proponent of “housing
first” – it works better.
Business representative: The problem is more
perception, but with customers, the perception is the
problem. It is more perceived that actual, but there
are legitimate problems in some areas.
At this time, Burt Rosen “traded seats” with Ginny, to
answer some questions, and the discussion continued.
Mr. Rosen, do you agree with housing first as the long
term goal? Yes, and we also have to provide services
to keep people from falling into homelessness. That is
our goal. “Drunks and winos” are not the only people
here. Emergency shelter is offered because there is a
need for it. We want people to lead productive lives.
What do we do with the people who are out on Broadway?
Once a person leaves we have no control over where
they go, can try to influence is all.
(At this point, it was noted that the discussion had
shifted from talking about what we would like the area
to be like).
There was discussion on whether or not the services
are drawing more people to the area (it was reported
that polls taken by one of the service providers show
very few). The location at I-40 and I-75 may
After noting that he would like to see more resources
going to the mental health facilities, people who need
it most, Burt Rosen asked the neighborhood
representative: What would you do if Lakeside bus
pulled up and dropped three people off with suitcases
and said to them - this is your new home?
The neighborhood representative replied that he would
provide them with all the services he could, and would
want to know who they were, and expect them to give
back what they could.
The agencies are also concerned about the safety of
the neighborhood and safety of the volunteers; they
don’t want people accosted as they walk to their cars.
Dr. Nooe added that shelters are no place for the
mentally ill and the state should not be able to
discharge them to the streets. Ginny reminded the
group what a difficult issue it is, since they have
the right to stay outside.
Final comments revolved around the KPD request, and
what to ask the police to focus on. The group asked
Capt. Catlett if concentrating on a certain area would
push folks further out. When asked about strategy, he
indicated that having an officer present will usually
move someone, as a short-term fix.
For the businesses, daytime people hanging around was
discussed as a priority. For neighborhoods, alleys
behind the main streets of the neighborhoods. The
other spots mentioned were behind businesses, in
overgrown areas, campsites and abandoned houses.
The group decided there was consensus to have the
police concentrate on the area closest to Broadway and
Fifth. Ginny asked the police officers to please call
if they thought it would be valuable to have a case
manager in any situation.
Major Don Vick from the Salvation Army, who moved to
Knoxville recently to replace Major Dewey Alderson,
asked Capt. Catlett about the process usually used for
people with mental health issues. The officer does an
on-street evaluation of whether or not they are a
threat to themselves or others.
KARM was thanked for hosting the meeting and providing
lunch. Chris Woodhull announced the next meeting at
noon on July 20th at the Salvation Army, and the
A tour of the facility was offered afterwards.